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In most games, fighting enemies comes down to two phases. A) Fighting through waves of normal mooks and baddies and making your way through levels, and B) fighting boss villains. Of course, a boss is supposed to be a somewhat tougher challenge than normal mooks, but they are also a singular enemy (or at least a small amount), and bosses usually test the player's current ability instead of becoming a tyrannical wave of destruction (at least not most of the time). Advertisement:propertag.cmd.push(function() { proper_display('tvtropes_mobile_ad_1'); })In some cases, though, the two stages of play have different levels of difficulty. Sometimes the boss fights will be infuriatingly hard, at least compared to normal play, forcing the player to really get into gear (and creating the impression that the game is just little easy segments in between bosses). Other times, bosses seem easy (sometimes ridiculously so), but the main levels make you cry. If you find a game like this, congratulations, you've encountered Boss Dissonance. A Super-Trope to Easy Levels, Hard Bosses; Hard Levels, Easy Bosses. If a game is one or the other, place it there. Compare SNK Boss, Boss Game, Mooks, but no Bosses. |
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Splatterhouse: The first game has only two examples: The fifth boss, Mutant Jennifer, is a pain in the ass compared to her long but somewhat easy stage... that is, if you avoid taking the path to the necromancer midboss. The very short sixth stage, being the most annoying stage in the game because of those evil, constantly-spawning life-sucking fetus monsters, has a fairly easy boss right at the end. All you had to do is keep hitting it, killing the bubbles that form around it in the process. Of course, the hard part is dealing with the bubbles that drop from the ceiling. |
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Rock Band has some songs that don't fit where it sorts them when sorting by difficulty. On the first one, "Don't Fear The Reaper" appears towards the middle of the songlist for Drummers (there's TWO sections that will kill untrained and trained ones alike, even if the drummers in question can clear Impossible charts). DLC, however, is where this problem is especially evident, as "I.V." (part of the 20 Free songs for Rock Band 2 owners) is slotted as a 4/7 (3 dots) despite numerous charted double-kicks on the drum chart. Even more infamous are some of the guitar parts. "Constant Motion" in particular is a 6/7, which looks fairly accurate until you hit the guitar solo, which is widely considered to be one of the most difficult (if not the most difficult) one in the entire game, including the 1000+ DLC songs. It seems Harmonix ranks songs based on their overall difficulty, rather than their peak. This leads to songs such as Afterlife being rated a measly 5/7 on guitar, in spite of sections like this. |
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Mega Man (Classic) varies widely: In general, using a robot master's weakness on him makes the battle easier, although the amount the difficulty is lowered depends on the boss and the weapon. |
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Fire Emblem: Almost any level where the boss doesn't move. Most of the time, the boss is effectively a regular enemy at a high level with better weapons, and it's fairly easy to surround them and wear them down. It's even easier when they have no ranged attacks, allowing you to pick them off at no risk. On the other hand, the regular enemies in the game tend to be cannon fodder, while the boss is usually stronger than all the regular enemies in a level combined. Bosses that can actually move are extremely dangerous. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 comes to mind, considering how anticlimactic Beldo is once you get to him. The game is easily the hardest in the series in many fans' eyes. |
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Diablo II does both kinds. Act 1 and 2 have bosses that can chew you up in the matter of seconds if you blink. Especially Duriel, who's not only super tough and super fast, but you must also fight him in a small chamber that doesn't even leave any room for strategy, so if you're playing a ranged character, you can kiss him goodbye. In Acts 3, 4, and 5, the Elite Mooks and their leaders that you need to fight before facing the boss are MUCH harder than their infernal masters. Mainly because when facing the boss, all you really need to do is dodge. In hell difficulty, act bosses and superuniques without minions are usually much easier than normal uniques and their minions since act bosses don't get extra boss modifiers and immunities. | |
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Pokémon Diamond and Pearl: With the exception of Flint's slightly diverse team the Elite Four are actually very predictable and easy to beat so long as Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors is taken into account, but the Champion the player faces after defeating them has a team of the strongest Pokemon in the region with diverse movesets, one of which is both so strong it is banned from competitive play and literally the strongest that a Pokemon of its species could possibly be. This is even more pronounced in the remakes, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, where all of the Champion's team is at near competitive levels of strength and holding the sorts of items they'd use in competitive too. | |
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Zombie Panic In Wonderland manages to hit BOTH kinds of dissonance on the same game. The first world is what you'd expect (i.e.: Easy), but the boss is That One Boss, with attack patterns that change as his health goes down and hard-to-dodge moves. The other two worlds are notably harder, but their bosses are really easy, with their predictable, non-changing patterns and dodgeable attacks. Clearly the dev team took more time to make the first boss than the other two combined. | |
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World of Warcraft has seen both extremes and everything inbetween over its long existences in various shapes and forms. | |
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Castlevania: Lament of Innocence varies depending on the character you use. With Leon Belmont's defensive abilities and special weapons, levels can be quite challenging, especially when you have to engage in any platforming due to Camera Screw, but the bosses are easy once you learn their pattern (yes, even Death). With bonus character Joachim Armster, it's the opposite — his attacks blaze through regular enemies, most of the platforming challenges are removed (since he has no whip swing), but because he can't block or use healing items, the bosses are insanely hard. The worst is the Forgotten One, who is hard enough for Leon to beat, and nigh impossible for Joachim to beat. While the Orb it drops acts as Leon's Infinity +1 Sword, for Joachim the Orb does nothing at all. | |
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Persona 3 swings like a weathervane in a tornado. On the one hand, Tartarus is Hell to go through, stuffed to the gills with Demonic Spiders, and if you can handle Tartarus, you will not have any trouble whatever with the Full Moon bosses. On the other hand, the Tartarus bosses? They're nearly all That One Boss, designed as Beef Gates par excellence, and only get harder as you climb the tower - and Level Grinding won't help you. And then just when you think that's the rule, there's the Final Boss... who is a Full Moon boss, fought in Tartarus. And it is That One Boss to end all Those One Bosses (unless you have Armageddon). It's a Megaten game. | |
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The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night has some killer boss battles and regularly throws regular-and-above-regular enemies at you right in the middle of difficult fights, one example of this being the final stage of the battle against Skabb the pirate, seen here. | |
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Sonic the Hedgehog 2: The Game Gear/Master System version has two opposite examples: The Scrambled Egg Zone is quite hard, but Silver Sonic (the game's penultimate boss, or the final boss if you haven't collected all the emeralds) is probably the second easiest boss in the game next to the Aqua Lake boss. The Crystal Egg Zone (which is the true final zone) is pretty easy, as well as being strangely bright and happy for a final level in a Sonic game. The boss at the end (who is the game's true Final Boss) is by far the hardest in the game however. |
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Super Robot Wars does this occasionally. The difficulty of a boss isn't necessarily determined by the amount of Hit Points or statistics they have, but primarily by their unit abilities and whether or not they can successfully Counter-Attack. As a result, fighting such a boss will invariably lead to the next one being an Anticlimax Boss and/or Breather Boss. This leads to some interesting instances, such as the case in Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden. The penultimate boss is harder than the Final Boss, despite being weaker than the latter simply because the Final Boss has very limited ammunition for its attacks. Super Robot Wars: If players choose Ryusei Date as the protagonist, they'll have to fight Ingram Prisken and the R-Gun Rivale, which comes with HP/EN regeneration, a "Warp Field" barrier that reduces damage by half and minimal areas on the map allowing HP/EN regeneration for allied units. The next scenario features a Flunky Boss, with the map containing an HP/EN recovery field. Sure, the boss is standing on it with its own "Warp Field" ability, but clearing the area of the flunkies and surrounding the boss while standing on the field eases up difficulty. If allied characters have the "SP Regeneration" pilot skill by that point in the game, the battle is rendered much easier. Super Robot Wars: Original Generation uses this as much as possible, though given its Dynamic Difficulty, this trope is more or less invoked to give players a reprieve of a particularly hard, but potentially, long scenario. In Original Generation Gaiden, the Final Boss Dark Brain has hundreds of thousands of HP, an additional form, can regenerate a third of its HP each turn and can deal a One-Hit Kill on allied units, even if they're properly upgraded. It is considered the hardest boss in SRW history, yet the True Final Boss Shu Shirakawa with the Neo Granzon is a cakewalk, as it has fewer HP, weaker attacks and less HP regeneration compared to the former. Perfectio in the Second Original Generation regenerates HP to full twice in the same scenario (due to in-game events), to which the entire scenario featuring it is a Marathon Level, with no break in-between two previous bosses. Perfectio's unit also comes with the ability to perform two actions per turn and a high EN pool, making it futile to burn away the EN in hopes to prevent it from counterattacking. However, the next scenario is generally easier, despite it being a Dual Boss, because neither have Perfectio's unit abilities nor its event-driven, Regenerating Health situation. Additionally, if the player achieves the "Hard" route split leading to this scenario, they gain the 11th-Hour Ranger in the middle of the battle. |
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It seems Harmonix ranks songs based on their overall difficulty, rather than their peak. This leads to songs such as Afterlife being rated a measly 5/7 on guitar, in spite of sections like this. | |
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Super Robot Wars: Original Generation uses this as much as possible, though given its Dynamic Difficulty, this trope is more or less invoked to give players a reprieve of a particularly hard, but potentially, long scenario. In Original Generation Gaiden, the Final Boss Dark Brain has hundreds of thousands of HP, an additional form, can regenerate a third of its HP each turn and can deal a One-Hit Kill on allied units, even if they're properly upgraded. It is considered the hardest boss in SRW history, yet the True Final Boss Shu Shirakawa with the Neo Granzon is a cakewalk, as it has fewer HP, weaker attacks and less HP regeneration compared to the former. Perfectio in the Second Original Generation regenerates HP to full twice in the same scenario (due to in-game events), to which the entire scenario featuring it is a Marathon Level, with no break in-between two previous bosses. Perfectio's unit also comes with the ability to perform two actions per turn and a high EN pool, making it futile to burn away the EN in hopes to prevent it from counterattacking. However, the next scenario is generally easier, despite it being a Dual Boss, because neither have Perfectio's unit abilities nor its event-driven, Regenerating Health situation. Additionally, if the player achieves the "Hard" route split leading to this scenario, they gain the 11th-Hour Ranger in the middle of the battle. |
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Legend of Kay has boss battles that are a relief compared to the evil stage difficulty. You will often find yourself overrun with mooks, all with different weaknesses which makes the situation a clusterfuck. The exception is the second form of the final boss who is an example of unfair difficulty, as the only way to dodge his combo is to use the Breakable Jongs on the outside of the arena to keep away. Each jong can only be destroyed by one weapon type and the types aren't in a logical order E.G. Sword, Claws, Hammer. So you can't just press the cycle button once per jong; you often end up whacking futilely against one with the wrong weapon and falling into the lava. | |
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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword zig-zags between the two extremes during the first half. On the one hand, you have the easy Skyview Temple followed by That One Wake-Up Call Boss Ghirahim, and on the other, the much more difficult Earth Temple and Lanayru Mining Facility having very easy bosses. There's also, of course, the fairly difficult first battle against The Imprisoned outside a dungeon. A Downplayed Trope in later dungeons, however: Notwithstanding Tentalus, the other bosses are generally on par with their levels of residence difficulty-wise. In fact, it's after the first half of the game when overworld bosses battles appear, further blurring the difficulty curve. | |
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Atlantica Online: The game's many dungeons have an odd version of both types. In order to complete a dungeon, each level must be cleared of enemies, including mooks and a boss, and usually a couple of minibosses. It is level-focused in that if you fail to kill all enemies on a floor within an allotted time, you fail the dungeon. Also, nearly all enemies will group together in 3s, and most are much stronger than their level indicates. The boss difficulty kicks in around the last few battles involving the boss and minibosses. They have the HP equivalent of over a dozen mooks, often cast spells that damage/debilitate all your mercenaries, and to top it off, have a wall of mooks in front of them and as support. The Nation dungeons also throw Escort Mission aspects into the mix. |
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Xenogears gives up entirely on random encounters halfway through and only offers boss battles (although the overworld and previous areas are still accessible should you want to level up). This is due to budget cuts that left the game incomplete. | |
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Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 comes to mind, considering how anticlimactic Beldo is once you get to him. The game is easily the hardest in the series in many fans' eyes. | |
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Dragon Quest IX's grotto system can go both ways, since the grottoes (twisted labyrinths filled with monsters and one out of twelve possible bosses) are randomly generated depending on various parameters like the main character's current level, the grotto previously beaten, etc. However, which boss is present is determined separately, so it's entirely possible to go through a dozen hellish floors containing the worst Demonic Spiders ever created by the mind of developpers, and the boss a relaxing exercise in Cherry Tapping without fear of retribution. And vice versa. | |
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SaGa Frontier is a rare case that can play this one both ways, due to the way the "Battle Rank" system works. Which monsters you run into in a fight are scaled up or down based on how many battles you've done, as well as where you train- Depending on the location, the enemies you fight may be much stronger or weaker than what is "level appropriate". Bosses are set at +2 BR and scale up at different points, so it's entirely possible to go rush headlong into a boss fight you're unprepared for, even though you're capable of slaughtering everything else in the region. | |
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Two Worlds featured this due to its item combining mechanic. Duplicate weapons could be squashed together into one weapon with better stats, so those mid-level swords you find dozens of are really all pieces of the Infinity +1 Sword. If you've done any side quests at all on your way to the boss (and it's pretty hard to avoid detouring through the gorgeous countryside), you'll probably kill the final boss in two hits. The Dragon right before the boss? Not so much. | |
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Mega Man Zero is focused on difficult bosses, generally. Stages are SLIGHTLY easier than the boss you have to face off against. | |
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Mega Man X6: Successfully maneuvering the stages is a considerably more challenging task than winning the boss fights. | |
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Mega Man X8 is more or less boss-focused - every boss even gets to turn invincible at some point and fire a tricky Desperation Attack. On the other hand, it gave us not one but two Ride Chaser stages... | |
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Super Robot Wars: If players choose Ryusei Date as the protagonist, they'll have to fight Ingram Prisken and the R-Gun Rivale, which comes with HP/EN regeneration, a "Warp Field" barrier that reduces damage by half and minimal areas on the map allowing HP/EN regeneration for allied units. The next scenario features a Flunky Boss, with the map containing an HP/EN recovery field. Sure, the boss is standing on it with its own "Warp Field" ability, but clearing the area of the flunkies and surrounding the boss while standing on the field eases up difficulty. If allied characters have the "SP Regeneration" pilot skill by that point in the game, the battle is rendered much easier. | |
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Deus Ex: Human Revolutionnote At least in the original release, before the Director's Cut version added more viable options for non-combat based builds manages to have both types simultaneously. It just depends on how you actually approach the fight. All of the bosses are trivial if you know which weapons they are vulnerable to. For example, the first boss can easily be eliminated by throwing the barrels of poison gas lying around or spamming him with the Stun Gun. The Typhoon augmentation also pretty much serves as a Game-Breaker for three of the fights. However, this is potentially a very stealth heavy game, some of the most effective weapons against them are not the most obvious choices, for example, the Combat Rifle is pretty awful compared to most other weapons for the boss. It's entirely possible to walk into the third boss with little ammo, ineffective weapons, and if you make a certain story decision being unable to use any augments and having an Interface Screw on top of that. So, if you go into the bosses prepared properly, they are trivially easy, but if you are not properly prepared (which might be likely due to Wrong Genre Savvy and assuming very effective anti-boss weapons are useless since they would be in most games) then they are far more difficult than the rest of the game. | |
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Mega Man & Bass deserves special mention: the game is boss-focused if you choose Bass and a level-focused if you choose Mega Man, despite the maps and the bosses being all but exactly alike. Bass is more agile with a rapid fire multi angle buster great for dealing with mooks making him the best choice for levels, but he can't charge it like Mega Man can and bosses get mercy invincibility so rapid fire is largely ineffective against them. | |
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No More Heroes: The levels are all rather easy with very basic enemies, with occasional issues with mass gunfire. The boss battles were the obvious focus, where all the work was put in, although it varies from boss to boss. | |
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God Hand: The bosses aren't that hard (Exception to Azel), all of them having easily abused patterns. Now the regular levels, on the other hand... | |
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Mega Man ZX Advent has the Floating Ruins which are relatively easy if you have Queenbee and Vulturon, but then you have to fight Aeolus and his stupid lightning spinners. | |
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Mickey Mousecapade: The shortest level in the game, the Pirate Ship, houses That One Boss, Peg Leg Pete (Captain Hook in the Japanese version). | |
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Mega Man 2: The fandom is split between which is the pushover and which is the utter meatgrinder: Quick Mannote veterans, who tend to relish in self-imposed challenges like no-damage runs, are nailed to the wall trying to decipher his AI pattern; newcomers inevitably tackle Quick Man last and just bull rush him whilst loaded up with Flash Stopper and E Tanks, or his stagenote newcomers are helplessly shredded by his barrage of instant death lasers, while veterans pretty much know the stage by heart. | |
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Mega Man 3: Doc Robot has souped up and harder versions of certain Robot Master's stages, and you have to fight him eight times (two per level) and he takes the powers of the Robot Masters from 2. Spark Man's stage is easy, but fighting a faster, larger version of Quick Man (already That One Boss in the previous game) is not! Burst Man's stage is a leisurely swim, followed by a boss that will slam you straight into the instant-kill ceiling of his room. |
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Mega Man 5 has both extremes: the stage from hell with an easy boss (such as Gyro Man) or the easiest stage you've ever seen with the boss from hell (such as Gravity Man). | |
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Spiral Knights has both kinds in the form of the second-tier bosses. The Royal Jelly Palace a clear boss-focused level, being fairly easy followed by a deeply difficult Damage-Sponge Boss that can be a huge pain to deal with, since it regenerates health constantly. On the 'difficult levels' side, the Ironclaw Munitions Factory is absolutely full of traps and high-damage rockets, killing you if your mind wanders for a mere moment, but the Roarmulus Twins at the end are a breeze if at least one person in the party knows the fight. | |
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Blur is a weaponised racing game featuring several boss races. Each boss race is competitive until you pick up your first weapon and blow the boss off the road, usually putting him so far behind that there is no way you can possibly lose unless you are extremely bad at the game. | |
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City of Heroes has examples of both kinds. For example, the Imperious Task Force is rather easy the entire way until fighting Romulus at the end, in which many a team has grinded to a halt while they figure out how to use their skills to defeat him. On the other hand, the Elite Bosses in the Lady Grey Task Force (especially the weakened Hamidon encountered in the 2nd to last mission) are considered to be more annoying battles than the rather straight forward Archvillains who are supposed to outrank them. | |
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